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Chris Masterjohn Phd on Joe Rogan: Why You’re Tired, Anxious, or Aging Faster — And How to Reverse It
Simple habits, nutrient essentials, and movement tips to strengthen your body from the inside out.
This week Chris Masterjohn Phd was on the Joe Rogan Experience episode #2420 and is one of the most quietly important conversations about health you’ll hear all year — because it reframes almost everything through a single lens:
Your mitochondria — your cellular power plants — determine how you age, how you think, how you feel, how you sleep, how you perform, and how well you recover.
Below is a distilled recap that cuts out the noise and leaves the real science, the surprising insights, and practical steps you can start today.
⚡ 1. The Big Idea: Energy = Health
Masterjohn argues that almost every major health outcome — sleep quality, mental clarity, mood, immunity, recovery, longevity — tracks back to how well your mitochondria produce and distribute energy.
If your energy production dips even a little over time, the body slowly loses its ability to repair itself. This decline compounds yearly — which is a more elegant explanation for aging than most people realize.
Why it matters:
You don’t feel “tired” first — you lose control of energy distribution.
You may feel wired, anxious, or unfocused instead of fatigued. Low mitochondrial function often shows up as:
Racing mind
Poor sleep
Irritability
Feeling “on edge”
Brain fog
Low libido
Healthy energy is:
High energy AND low anxiety
Strong libido
Deep, restorative sleep
👀 2. Myth-Busting: Turkey Isn’t Making You Sleepy
Thanksgiving fatigue? It’s not tryptophan in turkey — turkey actually has less tryptophan than whey protein.
It’s simply overeating and the body switching into “rest & digest.”
🧠 3. Creatine: The Most Underrated Brain Supplement
Creatine is no longer just a “gym bro” supplement.
Recent studies show:
20g of creatine during sleep deprivation maintained cognitive performance
Participants felt less tired
Why?
Creatine acts like the power grid that distributes energy from mitochondria. When the brain is stressed, creatine keeps circuits firing.
Practical takeaway:
Most people — unless eating 1–2 lbs of rare red meat a day — should supplement creatine.
☀️ 4. Morning Sunlight Is Not Optional — It Sets Your Mitochondria’s Clock
Sunlight is the signal that “wakes up” mitochondrial energy production.
Without morning sun:
Your energy metabolism stays sluggish
You feel foggier
Sleep worsens
Even cloudy daylight provides 10–100x more light than indoors. A light therapy lamp is acceptable when sunlight isn’t available.
🔴 5. Red Light Therapy Really Does Something
Red and near-infrared light directly improve mitochondrial energy production.
Wild findings:
A study improved eyesight the day after shining red light on the chest (eyes were covered)
Meaning: red light doesn’t just work locally — it can have systemic mitochondrial effects.
Joe reports reversing early macular degeneration by combining red light with carotenoids like lutein and zeaxanthin.
🔵 6. Methylene Blue: Powerful… or Dangerous?
This is one of the most misunderstood supplements online.
Masterjohn explains:
Methylene blue “rewires” mitochondria — which helps if you have a blockage, and harms you if you don’t.
This is why some people rave about it and others feel awful.
If you don’t know your mitochondrial profile, methylene blue is like rerouting a highway when traffic is flowing normally — it creates chaos.
Bottom line:
✔️ Can be therapeutic if you have documented mitochondrial blocks
✖️ Can make healthy people worse
✔️ Requires testing before using
✔️ High doses also act like antidepressants, confusing people
❤️ 7. CoQ10: A “Food First” Mitochondrial Booster
Unlike methylene blue, CoQ10 is natural, found in foods, and made in your own body.
Top food source: heart (especially beef heart).
Powerful clinical example:
A woman with 10 years of lost menstrual cycles restored her period in 2 weeks after high-dose CoQ10 (based on her mitochondrial testing).
But dosing matters:
100–200 mg/day often helps
400 mg/day sometimes worsens blood pressure, glucose, or sleep
Masterjohn’s rule:
→ Fix with food first (nose-to-tail eating)
→ Then supplement strategically
🥬 8. Nutrition: 93% of Americans Are Missing Key Nutrients
Despite modern food availability, nutrient deficiencies are more widespread than most people realize.
Reasons include:
Overreliance on fortified processed foods
Lack of nose-to-tail nutrition
Poor digestion
Seed oils blocking nutrient activation (e.g., vitamin A conversion)
Masterjohn recommends:
Eat animal foods nose to tail (liver, heart, broths)
Prioritize protein: ⅓ of your plate (double for eggs/dairy because of volume)
Eat the broadest range of carb sources; avoid refined grains first
80% of meals cooked at home
🛢️ 9. Seed Oils: The Most Misunderstood Source of Long-Term Damage
Seed oils don’t cause damage — they make your tissues easier to damage.
Important points:
They take 4 years to fully integrate into your tissues
They deplete vitamin E
They increase vulnerability to inflammation and oxidation
Short studies (7–12 weeks) are misleading.
Long-term studies (5–8 years) show:
Higher cancer rates
Higher all-cause mortality over time
This is why online contrarians get it wrong:
They rely on short trials while ignoring the long-term research.
🧘 10. Movement: Gymnasts and Pole Vaulters Live the Longest
Surprising stat:
Gymnasts and pole vaulters live 8 years longer than the general population — more than cyclists, runners, or even most endurance athletes.
Why?
Possibilities:
Full-body coordination
Skill development
Reaction time
Flexibility
Explosive power
Frequent inversions (upside-down time may help fluid circulation)
Rogan & Masterjohn note:
Skill-based training (boxing, BJJ, Muay Thai, gymnastics) may protect the nervous system better than repetitive exercise.
🛠️ ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS (Start Today)
✔️ 1. Get 5–10 minutes of morning sun immediately upon waking
Sets your circadian rhythm and activates mitochondrial energy.
If cloudy → use a light therapy lamp.
✔️ 2. Take creatine (3–5g/day)
Especially if you don’t eat ~1 lb of red meat daily.
✔️ 3. Add red or near-infrared light therapy
Great for eyes, metabolism, recovery, mood.
Joe used this + carotenoids to reverse early macular degeneration.
✔️ 4. Eat nose-to-tail
Incorporate:
Liver (1–2x/week)
Heart (best CoQ10 source)
Bone broth
Shellfish
Eggs (for lutein/zeaxanthin)
✔️ 5. Reduce seed oils
Avoid canola, soy, corn, safflower, sunflower oils.
Cook with butter, tallow, olive oil, or avocado oil.
✔️ 6. Diversify movement
Pick one new skill each year:
Boxing
BJJ
Gymnastics basics
Jump rope
Dancing
Sprinting
Handstands
This builds neurological resilience.
✔️ 7. Avoid megadosing supplements blindly
Especially methylene blue, thiamine, and CoQ10.
If you experiment, track:
Glucose
Ketones
Lactate
(Lactate up = mitochondria stressed)
✔️ 8. Make deep sleep a priority
Your mitochondria recharge during sleep.
Creatine may help acutely if you're sleep-deprived.
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